tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post1558149718798328205..comments2023-10-03T11:41:21.191+01:00Comments on The Truth About Lies: 21st century sound bytesJim Murdochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12786388638146471193noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-3249710763447368892009-11-25T15:01:09.364+00:002009-11-25T15:01:09.364+00:00I think that modern day chaosticians (to co-opt th...I think that modern day chaosticians (to co-opt the title Jeff Goldbum's character in <i>Jurassic Park</i> gave himself) would agree totally, <b>Dick</b>.<br /><br>Jim Murdochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786388638146471193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-81067661251560149302009-11-25T14:19:57.706+00:002009-11-25T14:19:57.706+00:00What I am saying does not mean that there will hen...What I am saying does not mean that there will henceforth be no form in art. It only means that there will be a new form, and that this form will be of such a type that it admits the chaos, and does not try to say that the chaos is really something else. The forms and the chaos remain separate . . . to find a form that accommodates the mess, that is the task of the artist now. <br /><i>Samuel Beckett</i>John Bakerhttp://johnbakersblog.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-39010058391053551482009-09-14T16:09:47.268+01:002009-09-14T16:09:47.268+01:00Art, it's hard to know what will persist. My g...<b>Art</b>, it's hard to know what will persist. My gut reaction was going to be that in your case something physical like a piece of art might have a better chance than anything that exists only in a digital format but I guess that depends on who is paying the bills. If you dropped dead tomorrow, God forbid, how long would Blogger keep your words alive? And what of your comments on other people's sites? How long before they vanish? But I suspect that the quotes from those ancient Greeks will keep on being copied and kept alive for a long time after we're both forgotten.<br /><br />What Warhol said, <b>Conda</b>, was: "In the future, everyone will be world-famous for 15 minutes." That was in 1968 and he reiterated it in 1979. I think had the Internet been around then he would have said: "On the Web, everyone will be famous to fifteen people" – apparently the Scottish artist <a href="http://imomus.com/index499.html" rel="nofollow">Momus</a> said that. I do like the idea that our 15 minutes is down to 15 seconds through and, when you consider the length of a typical sound bite, 15 seconds would be a lot.<br /><br /><b>Rachel</b>, thank you for that.<br /><br />And, <b>Scattercat</b>, love the quote. It's interesting – and an important point really – how context changes the significance of a quote. I should really do a follow-up some time on misquotes.<br /><br>Jim Murdochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786388638146471193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-43478304497343785132009-09-14T14:46:37.284+01:002009-09-14T14:46:37.284+01:00I've always been partial to a quote from an ot...I've always been partial to a quote from an otherwise unrelated namesake of mine, a playwright some hundred years gone:<br /><br />"They called me mad, I called them mad, and damn them, they outvoted me."<br />- Nathaniel Lee<br /><br />Interestingly (or rather tragically) he reported said this upon being confined to a mental hospital as a result of a nervous breakdown.Scattercathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00302815654553659644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-74159652794331563792009-09-14T13:31:47.399+01:002009-09-14T13:31:47.399+01:00wonderful stuff ... keep it up...wonderful stuff ... keep it up...rachelhttp://www.keralatour.us/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-50022496055087748092009-09-13T19:27:06.504+01:002009-09-13T19:27:06.504+01:00Was it Andy Warhol who said, "Everybody now h...Was it Andy Warhol who said, "Everybody now has 15 minutes of fame."? And who added recently, "It's down to 15 seconds."?Conda Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12972790965426924941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-51776242005946672572009-09-13T17:41:11.829+01:002009-09-13T17:41:11.829+01:00"For a creative writer possession of the &quo..."For a creative writer possession of the "truth" is less important than emotional sincerity."<br />—George Orwell<br /><br />(For more Orwell quotes, click <a href="http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/g/george_orwell.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a>)<br /><br />I can't sum up my life in one pithy quote. It just can't be done. I can sum up, perhaps, what I feel right now, but that summation would and does change over the years. I have no idea what I'm to be remembered for, if I'm remembering for anything. Probably future folks will perceive me a dabbler in too many artforms, which is wrong; but plenty of folks already perceive me that way, so what can you do? We can't really control any of it. If I'm lucky, one or two poems, a piece of music, the odd visionary artwork, probably not much more than that.<br /><br />And you can quote me on that.Art Durkeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07463180236975988432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-8776184979459923372009-09-13T16:11:35.735+01:002009-09-13T16:11:35.735+01:00Too true, Dave, too true which is one of the reaso...Too true, <b>Dave</b>, too true which is one of the reasons I've never got round to bringing out a chapbook - I only ever seemed to like half a dozen poems at a time.<br /><br>Jim Murdochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786388638146471193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-36267072798704209322009-09-13T16:08:45.729+01:002009-09-13T16:08:45.729+01:00Actually, Poet Hound, I'm up to 59 seconds. I ...Actually, <b>Poet Hound</b>, I'm up to 59 seconds. I guess someone must have logged onto my site and then made a cup of coffee or something.<br /><br />Love the quotes, especially the second one.<br /><br>Jim Murdochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786388638146471193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-11138825650137799272009-09-13T15:43:58.671+01:002009-09-13T15:43:58.671+01:00At least your readers spare 48 seconds, mine only ...At least your readers spare 48 seconds, mine only spare 38.<br />As for quotes, I have two personal mottos I'll offer up:<br /><br />"It's a sin to be boring"<br />and <br />"People are doing amazing things every day, don't you want to be one of them?"<br />Thanks for the insightful post.Poet Houndhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10105553133665280701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-57199247870972110202009-09-13T11:21:27.035+01:002009-09-13T11:21:27.035+01:00Yesterday I came, read and wondered. Couldn't ...Yesterday I came, read and wondered. Couldn't think what I would like to be remembered by. This morning I woke up knowing: I'd like to be remembered by a line or two from my latest poem - the latest one is always the best... in my estimation! A really great post.Dave Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430484174826768488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-84119471728030831492009-09-13T10:55:28.451+01:002009-09-13T10:55:28.451+01:00That was a new one on me, Rachel, and I'm sure...That was a new one on me, <b>Rachel</b>, and I'm sure slipping into polite conversation isn't easy.<br /><br>Jim Murdochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786388638146471193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-15543174803620465342009-09-13T04:33:06.018+01:002009-09-13T04:33:06.018+01:00"Now take out that Southern tooth and set in ..."Now take out that Southern tooth and set in a turd" The Wakefield Second Shepherd's Pageant. Made me guffaw as an undergraduate. I've quoted it in a novel, too.Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-74118178843111019722009-09-12T16:48:04.379+01:002009-09-12T16:48:04.379+01:00You know saying something new and interesting is g...You know saying something new and interesting is getting <i>so</i> hard isn't it, <b>Art</b>? I've never heard the 'boredom' quote before so it was new to me at least.<br /><br>Jim Murdochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786388638146471193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-12624116325376636422009-09-12T16:35:34.056+01:002009-09-12T16:35:34.056+01:00I should have thought to mention Twitter, Mariana....I should have thought to mention Twitter, <b>Mariana</b>. It's existence can only exacerbate matters through.<br /><br>Jim Murdochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786388638146471193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-89463249857620355412009-09-12T16:06:03.878+01:002009-09-12T16:06:03.878+01:00The first Nooteboom quite is a rephrase of somethi...The first Nooteboom quite is a rephrase of something Einstein once said, actually. So it's a quote of a quote.<br /><br />BTW, I happen to like Nooteboom. I've read two or three of his novels (or are they meta-fictions?) in translation, and quite like them. Thanks or mentioning him. <i>The Following Story</i> is a real fun reading experience.<br /><br />I've written recently about aphorisms on my own blog, which I suppose dovetails with your thoughts about quotes here. I'm not sure I have anything to contribute, though. Except perhaps to quote my high school creative writing teacher, who was fond of saying to his students:<br /><br />"The Kingdom of Boredom is within you."Art Durkeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07463180236975988432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-37253241487876369022009-09-12T13:22:24.832+01:002009-09-12T13:22:24.832+01:00Excelent post, really enlightening for me. I never...Excelent post, really enlightening for me. I never thought what you said about quotations, it s true there are more popular than ever now, which is related in my opinion not to the lack of time that people have but to the short span of atention, people can only focus for 1 or 2 minutes at the most, in a single thing. And I think this quotation popularity is directly related to twitter, which is nowadays the social network that is used the most. And probably the fact that allows top 140 characters is the main cause of its popularity.<br />I guess the average length of a quote is slightly smaller than the maximum possible length a tweet has.<br /><br />Thanks for this great post<br />Take careMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-55315547248831541872009-09-12T08:26:31.082+01:002009-09-12T08:26:31.082+01:00Excellent offering, Koe - thanks a lot.Excellent offering, <b>Koe</b> - thanks a lot.<br /><br>Jim Murdochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786388638146471193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6327348657265652781.post-14467537912792676552009-09-11T03:56:25.431+01:002009-09-11T03:56:25.431+01:00Jim - OK - this is a bit risky but I'll pony u...Jim - OK - this is a bit risky but I'll pony up:<br /><br />'there's only one kind of lie but there are two kinds of facts: those that are true and those that are too true.'<br /><br />Perhaps it's not wise nor witty but, if nothing else, I think it's kind of in the spirit of your blog, which you know, I adore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com